Most people have been told since they were young that 'work hard pays off', and that working hard is the only way to get ahead in life.

But for Jeff Shannon, that very much isn't the case. Jeff is the author of 'Hard Work Is Not Enough' which looks at the impact of hard work on our lives, and argues that it's not the way to progress in your career.

Speaking to Dermot and Dave, Jeff why hard work is overrated and how a random encounter in a swimming pool changed his outlook on life.

You can catch the chat by clicking play above.