Right off the bat Pam was upfront with Dermot Bannon - architecture goes right over her head. She would never make it as an architect, she says she can barely count but Dermot pointed out that a lot of people would say the same about him!

Dermot filled Pam in on the process for selecting the houses for Incredible Homes, they get a shortlist and then it ends up like X Factor where he's Simon Cowell ripping pictures off the wall to get the final 6!

He also talked about how great it is to see people engaging with design more and more. Even if it's just one room in their house or a bookshelf, it's amazing to see how people are taking design into their hearts and experimenting with it.

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